or his thoughts. >> tune in tomorrow night for a very honest and colorful interview, as always. watch that. that's tomorrow night. for tonight, that is it from us. anderson cooper starts right now. tonight, the reporter who made nsa leaker edward snowden a household name says he's facing retaliation by government forces targeting his spouse. later tonight, we're on the fire lines where the tide may be turning but it is a race against weather conditions. also tonight, how a convicted baby killer who is suspected in the deaths of dozens of other kids who might soon walk free. we begin with that exclusive involving alleged misuse of government power. this man, who you see here, in

the airport in rio, david miranda and his spouse glenn greenwald. greenwald writes for britain's guardian newspaper and has been edward snowden's conduit to the world. sunday, miranda was heading home from berlin having met with a documentarian. while he was changing planes in london, british authorities detained him and questioned him for nearly nine hours under britain's anti-terrorism law. he claims they did not ask him a single question about terrorism. they did, however, threaten him with jail time and confiscated his laptop and just a short time ago, i spoke with david miranda and glenn greenwald. david, let's just start where there's been a lot of misreporting. just take us through what

happened. you were on a plane. there was an announcement that everyone had to show passports. then what happened? >> i walk out and there was two officers just waiting by the door of the plane. they just like were checking people. they picked up my passport and looked at my name and face and just asked me, sir, can you accompany me? and i went with them. we went to this room, and there was four chairs in there, and a table, and they start asking me questions there. the moment i got there, they told me that i was under this law, because i asked why i was being held. they stay there was a law from 2000, and i asked what was my rights and what i would have to do. they say i have to answer every question and if i didn't cooperate i could go to jail. >> what kind of things were they asking and saying to you, david?

>> well, they asked me all kinds of questions, and they asked me about my relationship with glenn. they asked about my relationship with laura and what i was doing on my trip to germany. and what i was carrying, everything. >> and david, british authorities say that they detained you under, it's called schedule 7 of the uk terrorist accused, which allows them to question someone to determine if they are or have been, and i quote, concerned of the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism. did they actually ask you anything about terrorism? >> i think it's really weird, because i was there for like eight hours without talking to nibble outside and they like took me, i have to ask them, do i have to answer this, and they were just telling me, if you

don't answer this, you're going to go to jail. that's a big thing, because when they say that i was under this law, you know what uk and united states do. they have all the powers to do anything they want, because i have seen many stories of people in different countries. nobody seen them. and that moment, i was like, really afraid what would happen to me. >> sure. >> i was there for eight hours without talking to anybody on the outside of the world. i didn't know what's happening. >> i then asked how long he had been detained. he said he had been detained by

that point already three hours, which was much more than a secondary screening of immigration. i asked if i could speak to him or have a lawyer. they said you cannot speak to him and he does not have the right to have a lawyer present with him. i asked them their intentions and how long he would be held and they said they had no idea. >> you said they took a laptop, your cell phone and more. do you know what was stored on those devices? was there classified material? >> i don't know that. i was just taking those materials back to glenn.

you know glenn has done a lot of stories along the years and i don't follow everything he writes every day. i can't follow him, because i have to have a life. >> david had visited this filmmaker in berlin. i read the guardian paid for david's flights. glenn, was he carrying classified material with him? >> i'm not going to talk about what he was carrying, because we're journalists. what i would say is every single newsroom in the united states, every news organization in the world has classified information, reporting on what governments do in the secret is what journalism is about. so if you want to report that states can -- all of the best reporting over 40 years involves

journalism having classified information. that's what investigative journalism is. if you want to start criminalizing that, it means you're asking as a citizen to be kept ignorant and allow people in power to conceal what they're doing behind a wall of secrecy. journalism is not a crime and it's not terrorism. >> i would imagine any information the data might have had was likely duplicated, backed up someplace else. so it's not like that would make it disappear by confiscating it, so i guess this was to intimidate you and send a message to others. >> what they did is ludicrous. of course we have multiple copies of everything that we're working on. nobody would ever travel with only one copy of anything, even if you just lose it or it's stolen, that would be inane. of course we have multiple copies around the world in

different places. secondly, every thing that we carry, even personal items, are protected by encryption. so all it did is give them a huge block eye in the world, make them look thuggish and authoritarian, creating international incidents with the government of brazil, for no benefit at all to themselves, which is why i said they'll come to regret what they've done. because aside from being oppressive and dangerous, it's also quite incompetent and quite dumb. >> we're going to have more of interview next, including claims david was detained on orders from washington. the u.s. has said they got a heads up that david might be

detained but they said they're not the ones behind it. you buy that? let us know what you think. later tonight, the moments a terrorist toting an ak-47 shows up at an elementary school and how everyone made it out alive.

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more now on my interview with glenn greenwald and his spouse david miranda who was detained and questioned for nine hours. greenwald claims the real purpose was to intimidate him and other journalists. also in light of his stories, to retaliate. the question is, was the united states involved? >> there was a heads up that was provided by the british government. so, again, this is something that we had an indication was likely to occur. but it's not something that we requested. and it's something that was done specifically by the british law enforcement officials there. >> so officially, a heads up for britain but not a request from america. i asked glenn greenwald whether he buys that. here's what he told me. >> i don't have evidence that the u.s. government ordered it, but they did nothing to discourage it or protect the

right of free press guaranteed in the constitution, or did anything else to protect the rights that we have as human beings as i have as an american and journalist. so whether the idea originated with the uk or u.s., clearly the u.s. was perfectly happy to see that. >> david, when you got back on the plane to brazil, what was that feeling? >> i was relieved. i was in my country. i knew i was going to be protected, because i was in my country. i know that people here would be carried about this situation and i would see my husband and i knew he was going to take care of this situation. >> glenn, i saw a quote from you saying you would be more aggressive, not less in reporting on england. headlines seem to indicate you would be acting out of revenge. is that accurate?

>> it's completely inaccurate, anderson. i was asked whether or not the detention of david would deter my reporting and what i thought the outcome would be for the uk government. what i said is, if they think they're going to deter me in any way, it's going to have the opposite fact. it will embolden me, because when i see governments abuse their powers, i realize that they need even more transparency and more accountability and makes me want to work harder and faster to inform the world and what iis they're doing. when i said they would regret it, it wasn't because i would publish out of vengeance, but because i knew what they had done was counterproductive to their own actions. >> your lawyer seems to indicate you're planning something. can you say what? >> sure. the lawyers in the uk on behalf of david have filed a lawsuit and what they're seeking right now is a declaration from the

british court that what the british authorities did is illegal, because the only thing they're allowed to detain and question people over is investigations relating to terrorism, and they had nothing to do with terrorism. they went well beyond the scope of law. secondly, to order them to return all the items they stole from david and to order that they are barred from using them in any way or sharing them with anybody else. >> finally, glenn, since edward snowden has been granted asylum in russia, can you tell us how his life is there? >> he's doing great. what he spends most of his time doing is following the incredibly productive debate that has been triggered all around the world over the dangers of surveillance and the value of internet privacy and freedom, that he hoped to trigger. i don't know if he necessarily loves russia, but he certainly prefers it to a -- the next three decades in a super max prison in the united states.

so he's happy to be there given his options. >> thank you guys for talking. appreciate it. >> thanks, anderson. >> thank you. let's dig deeper now with jeffrey toobin and jessalyn radek, a former whistleblower who now represents people who do what she once did. jeff, do you believe the british government was justified in detaining him for nine hours? >> i sure do. i don't want to be unkind, but he was a mule. he was given something, he didn't know what it was, from one person to pass to another at the other end of an airport. our prisons are full of drug mules. glenn's view is, as long as one of the two people on either end of that transaction was a journalist, he can take anything he wants. he could take the nuclear launch codes, the names of our undercover agents. >> this was paid for by the guardian. wasn't he acting in a

journalistic capacity? >> no. he's on a plane with stuff highly classified. it was the extremely classified nsa material. that is not the law. >> he's being detained under a british uk terrorism act, only supposed to be used to detect and find people who are connected to terrorists. there's no indication that david miranda, they knew who he was. they knew he's not connected to a terrorist group. >> great britain has its own laws that are similar to ours but are somewhat different. their terrorism law fakes it one step further. they say it's not just the material -- this person is a terrorist, but can be used by terrorists. frankly, if terrorists know how we surveil their cell phone calls, they could be used. >> couldn't any information published by journalists be used

by terrorists? >> not at all. not classified information. it would have to be classified information of this kind. >> jessalyn, what do you think? >> i think that argument is completely vacuous. he is presuming, but he has no idea what was on those thumb drives and other documents and electronics that were seized, nobody does. but no matter what was on there, it obviously had to do with journalism. laura is a journalist and documentarian. glenn greenwald is a journalist, and david was serving as an in between, not as a drug mule. i have to wonder why the u.s. government and our allies are so desperate to keep our law breaking secret that they're willing to use a terrorism law to stop a journalist. >> but just to be devil's

advocate here, if the british thought there were stolen documents being transported, why don't they have the right to stop this person and check? >> the british government, if they thought they had stolen documents could have gone through the criminal process, rather than use an anti-terrorism law, which has nothing to do with stolen documents. there's been no evidence of that whatsoever put forth even by the british government itself that they thought these were stolen documents. >> mr. miranda was lucky they used the terrorism law, because he wasn't even stopped overnight. i'm sure it was inconvenient to be stopped for nine hours at the airport. but when it happens to you on jetblue, they don't even offer a lawyer. so he wasn't sent to the gulag. he took what appears to be

stolen classified information. i think he did pretty well considering what he was carrying. >> i have to interject. i hope the next time mr. toobin is stopped for nine hours and detained with no due process that he is equally as generous with his assessment. but clearly, being detained on a terrorist law, an anti-terrorism law, having spent time on a no-fly list myself is pure government retaliation against a whistleblower and the criminalization of journalism and whistle blowing that has been going on and the united states has been behaving in a completely unhinged, desperate and rather foolish way. >> under british law, though, there is no right to stay silent in this case. there is no -- under this uk law, there is no right to have an attorney present. they offered him one of their

attorneys, he declined. but under this law, the person being questioned has no right to have counsel there. >> i'm not arguing that. i'm arguing that under this law, to be held under schedule 7 of this particular law, you have to have a reasonable nexus to terrorism. and here there has been absolutely none asserted unless someone is trying to make the government -- the argument that journalism is the new terrorism. >> what about that, jeff? that is glenn greenwald's contention. >> the world "journal" is not magical immunity sauce that you can put on anything and eliminate any sort of liability. if he had the nuclear launch codes in there, they can take that. if he had the names of undercover operatives, they can take that.

our government and the british government regards the method of surveillance as just as serious a security breach. now, that's the law. i'm sorry glenn thinks that's a bad thing, but that's the law. if you go through an airport carrying that stuff, you take your chances. >> jeff, what do you think of the fact that british authorities showed is up at the offices of the guardian demanding they destroy two hard drives that had information relating to snowden, classified information? >> grotesque and appalling. huge difference. when we show up at the border somewhere, we know we're going to have our stuff searched. there are certain rules. >> but he didn't go through customs. he was in transit. >> well, you take your chances. inside a country that believes in free press, that they would destroy a computer. imagine here at cnn authorities walking in and demanding that we

destroy our computers. i think it was horrific and terrible and it's important to draw distinctions between different kind of government activity. >> do you agree with that? >> that's a distinction without a difference. by detaining him in a transit zone on a terrorism law, when there was no suspicion whatsoever, even asserted by the united kingdom, was purely a pretextural contention under the label of terrorism. the way i understood the incident is that the uk wanted copies of the information and instead the guardian wisely said we will destroy it before handing it over to you, which is the principled thing to do. when it suits mr. toobin's interest, he's glad to claim first amendment interests, but at the same time he's willing to dispense with those completely

when dealing with a terrorism statute, detaining an innocent person involved in the conduct of journalists. >> it's called drawing distinctions. different situations have different results. and i don't apologize for that in the least. you're returning around the world with extremely classified information, and you don't even know what it is, you're being used as a mule. you take your chances and i think mr. miranda got extremely lucky in only being delayed nine hours in london. >> good discussion. we've got to leave it there. let's talk about it more on twitter during the break. just ahead, children being led single file out of a georgia school today after a gunman opened fire. he was armed with an ak-47. also, the killing of an australian student in oklahoma. three teenagers are in custody and what they told police about why they did it.

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terrifying day at an elementary school outside of atlanta. police say a gunman was armed with an ak-47 and had other we pops, as well. he's in custody. thankfully no one was hurt but a terrifying ordeal. on abc world news with diane sawyer, the school clerk

described how she convinced the gunman to put down his weapon. >> i was there with him the whole time. i had a teacher came in, and i just talked to him and told him that it was okay, we all have situations in our lives and i went through a tragedy myself. but i recovered for it. if i could recover from it and open up a business, he could too. >> after the gunman surrendered, these pictures aired live. police were worried that a vehicle outside might contain explosives. >> we had to move the kids from the rear of the school and find an escape route, which we had to cut a hole in a fence, take the kids through the back of a house, down a small embankment to an adjoining street, get the kids on the school bus. >> david mattingly joins me now. david, what have you learned ant this gunman and why he may have done this? >> reporter: he's been

identified as michael brandon hill. police say he's 20 years of age. he's now being charged with aggravated assault on a police officer, terroristic threats and possession of a firearm by a convicted felon. they continue to interview him. as far as a motive, police aren't saying why he decided to do this, but we do know from talking to local television station, when this man went into the office and took a couple of office workers hostage, he had them call a television station and relay a message to them that he was not afraid to die, and that he wanted the television station to come out and take pictures while he was killing police officers. now, fortunately that didn't happen. this man, michael brandon hill, did fire half dozen shots at officers, they did return fire but then he gave himself up. so no bloodshed here. he never made any of the shots

fired at any of the staff and luckily none of the children. but still very scary times at this school, as this gunfire was being exchanged. >> so he had an ak-47. there were reports of potential explosives in his car. did they find anything else? >> reporter: they did not find explosives in the car, but it took them a couple of hours to very carefully go through that car and find out what was in there. as they were going through it, they really haven't told us what they did find in the car. but because the car was parked in front of the police station -- or in front of the school, police couldn't take the kids out that way. and that's why they had that elaborate means of escape for the kids that the chief was describing that they had to go out the back and a way out, that they could get out safely just

in case there were explosives in that car. >> i understand in order to get into the school, visitors had to be buzzed in. do we know how the gunman got into the building? >> reporter: this is one of the most disturbing things. the security system is there that someone has to be buzzed in and show i.d. when someone did that, the gunman just went up and grabbed the door before it closed behind someone who had been buzzed in. he defeated their security system just that easily. so you can bet they're going to be looking at beefing up security here. parents here had a lot to say about that, some of them afraid to send their kids back to school. elsewhere, this story much more darker. in oklahoma, three teenagers charged today in the shooting death of christopher lane. he was gunned down last week while jogging. the suspects are 15, 16 and 17 years old. what makes this story so disturbing besides the murder, police say the teens targeted

lane randomly because they had nothing to better to do. >> you just can't imagine it happening in this neighborhood. >> reporter: shock and disbelief in the small oklahoma town where chris lane, an australian student at east university, was gunned down. all three are charged with first degree murder. authorities say the teens were on a mission to kill, supposedly just for the thrill of it. >> they witnessed the young man run by on the street, chose him as the target. >> reporter: chief danny ford says lane was out jogging friday afternoon when the teens drove up and shot him in the back. >> there was some people that saw him stagger across the road, go to a kneeling position and collapse on the side of the

road. >> reporter: a woman told police she ran to lane and tried to help by performing cpr. another witness dialed 911. lane was take on the a hospital where he died. police say one of the teens told investigators details of the killing and where they could find the murder weapon. thousands of miles away in australia, lane's father shared the family's heartbreak. >> he's left his mark, as we know, and there's not going to be any good come out of this, because it was just so senseless. it's happened, it's wrong, and we just try and deal with it the best we can. >> up next, an almost unbelievable twist to a chilling crime. why a nurse that was convicted of killing this 15-month-old may soon be released from prison. also ahead, the fight to save homes in the line of fire

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in "crime and punishment" tonight, a convicted baby killer will soon walk free in texas, even though she's serving a 99 year sentence, and is suspected of murdering dozens of other children. genene jones is a former pediatric nurse that allegedly targeted children. now she has a legal way out of prison and law enforcement has only way of keeping her inside, by finding another victim whose life was cut short like chelsea mcclellan's. >> reporter: back in 1982, chelsea mcclellan, just 15 months old, needed immunizations. it was routine stuff. chelsea's mother took her to the local clinic. but what happened next was anything but routine. that's because genene jones was the nurse on duty at the clinic. chelsea's home remembers what happened next when all hell broke loose.

>> she gave her her first shot in her left thigh, and she immediately started gasping for air. turned around and gave her another one, and she immediately just went limp and quit breathing. >> reporter: in the chaos of rushing chelsea to the hospital, genene jones somehow slipped into the ambulance and gave the little girl a third shot. she would later learn that she was injected with a muscle relax about that causes muscle paralysis. it stopped her heart. two years later, in 1984, jones was convicted of infant side and sentenced to 99 years in prison for killing chelsea. plus 60 years for injuring another child who had survived. to this day, she still says she did nothing wrong. >> miss jones, do you have any reaction at all?

>> reporter: for chelsea's parents, the verdict was bittersweet. their daughter was gone, but her killer would spend the rest of her life behind bars. at least that's what they thought. it turns out genene jones is scheduled to walk free. jones will be automatically released because of an old texas law designed to prevent prison overcrowding. the mandatory release law allows inmates convicted of violent crimes between 1977 and 1987 to be released if their good behavior credit and time served equals their sentence. the law was changed in 1987 to exclude violent criminals, but it isn't retro active. chelsea's mom is desperately trying to find other mothers whose babies that may have also been killed by genene jones. otherwise, she may be the first serial killer to walk free.

>> she will have served less than one year for every infant she's credited with murdering. >> reporter: sadly, there's reason to believe other victims exist. when jones worked at bear hospital in san antonio between 1978 and 1982, her shift became known as the death shift, because so many babies were mysteriously dying. sherry pendergraph worked alongside her. >> the death rate was higher than it had been in previous months and previous years as i went back. so we started to question why is that happening? i also noticed that it tended to concentrate more on the 3:00 to 11:00 shift, which was the shift that genene was working mostly. >> reporter: genene jones was suspected of killing as many as 46 babies. but was only charged in the death of chelsea mcclellan.

kahn's job is only complicated by the fact that many of the victim's records were either destroyed or disappeared. but so far, two mothers have reached out to him. marina lost her son in 1981 after her son was given a shot at a san antonio clinic. at 5 months old, he had a heart attack and died. >> all of a sudden he turned blue and i started hearing "code blue." then they pulled me to the side because i'm freaking out. >> reporter: back then, she was just 15. too young to afford a lawyer. her parents were migrant farmers. she couldn't even read. how would you feel if she got out? >> she's not going to get out. if my son has to be exhumed to prove that she murdered him, that's the step we'll take. they're not dealing with a little girl anymore. this is a woman. >> reporter: marina rodriguez

and the other families are the only hope. >> 30 years in prison is not justice. it's not justice for chelsea. >> reporter: randi kaye, cnn, houston. >> under that expired texas law, genene jones will walk free in 2018. a lot of people are outraged over this. no one more than petti mcclellan who we just saw in the report. her 15-month-old daughter chelsea was killed by jones. thank you for being with us. our condolences to you on the loss of your daughter, chelsea. i can't imagine what this has been like, when you heard she could go free, what did you think? >> well, the first time i heard it i just even acknowledge it because i thought it was impossible. and i really didn't realize it was going to happen, unless another case was found, until about six months ago. >> you're convinced that jones could do this again? >> absolutely, absolutely.

anybody that knew her and has dealt with her across the board, that's in agreement with everybody. >> this nurse who killed your daughter, i can't imagine -- i can't begin to imagine why someone would do something like that. did she seem like there was something off about her when you saw her? >> well, when she was taking care of the kids, she has this very kind, loving, you know, like these children were her life and meant everything to her. but then in a crisis, it was like she would get this wild look and she had a reputation for being very aggressive and very -- she was very narcissistic and she knew more than anybody, and loved the media and loved the attention. so everything really changed. i kept telling my family that, you know, she did something to her.

>> and you actually saw this woman at your daughter's grave one day. >> yes. right after chelsea died, i spent a lot of time, i would go every day, and i went there to put some fresh flowers on, and she was there, and she was just rocking back and forth, waling. i asked her what she was doing and she just looked at me and she had this glassy eyed look and she walked past me and never responded to it. >> god. there's obviously this concerted effort to prove she killed other children. she's suspected in the death of 40 other kids. prosecutors think she could have killed up to 46 kids. if there's anyone out there with information, what do you want to say to them? >> i want them to not be afraid to come forward, because this isn't just about chelsea anymore. this is about all the families

and all the children in san antonio that died that shouldn't have, and they need their justice, too. they need their stories told. because the only difference between their situation and chelsea's is where the san antonio hospital chose to cover it up and not do anything about it and send her about her way with a good reference. the hospital decided something's wrong and decided to do something about it. so those babies and those families, they need a voice. >> yeah. petti, thank you for speaking up tonight. i hope it helps and we'll continue to follow this. thank you so much. >> thank you, anderson. i appreciate it. >> stay strong. still ahead, we'll meet a homeowner who was forced out by wildfires. we have some good news tonight. and we're learning more how badly wounded the boston bombing suspect was before his arrest. h.

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1800 firefighters are on the front lines. there is good news to report. while the fire is only 9% contained, crews say they have turned a corner. gary tuchman has more. >> reporter: it's the not knowing that's the hardest part. not knowing if your house is still standing or up in flames. it's what pamela sue martin wants to know as she watches helicopters drop water right where her house is located. >> i'm very grateful that they're there. >> watching these fires on the mountains for the last three days burn it down. >> reporter: pamela is an actress and writer who has had a successful career. she's one of many celebrities who live in the sun valley, idaho area. but she lives here year around. it is not a second home. >> this has been very hard. really all the emotions are coming now watching them put it out.

>> reporter: pamela took these dramatic pictures where her house is during the peak of the fire. her house states in one of the hottest spots of the blaze. she watches the choppers and wonders. how long have you lived here? >> 28 years. right there. right where they're dropping the water. >> reporter: pamela lives next to the wood river. and the wood river is one of the places where the helicopters are dropping buckets to refill. there are 15 helicopters coming in and out of this area. the evacuation order is still in effect. but we went with pamela to see if her house escaped the flames. >> it's standing. i'm really grateful for that. >> reporter: the flames aren't far away. but firefighters and choppers are close by. >> reminds me of all the vietnam movies, vietnam. and it is like a war for them fighting the fire. and i feel for them. >> reporter: the danger is not

ever yet. but pamela feels much better now than when we met her a short time ago. you believe your house is safe? >> i know my house is safe, yeah. >> when will pamela and the others be allowed to move back in their homes, do you know? >> reporter: authorities are saying they hope nearly everybody can go back to their homes tomorrow and thursday. the winds have just picked up, anderson, in the last 30 minutes. that's normally not good news. but authorities believe they're moving in a positive direction. they hope by tonight they have 20% containment. they believe whatever the numbers are, most people will be back in their homes no later than two days from now. >> gary, thanks. susan hendricks has a "360" bulletin. the prosecution rested its case today against major nadal hasan. hasan is representing himself at

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